Gilad Atzmon Interviewed by E&R
E&R: In recent conferences with Alain Soral in Lyon and in Théâtre de la Main d'Or, you reflected on The Bell Curve, a book written by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray. The book suggests that contemporary society is partitioned by cognitive ability. And for the obvious reasons, "Cognitive Elite" is most likely to get key cultural and political positions in society.
- To what extent can you explain the evolution of society during the past decades in the light of The Bell Curve?
Gilad Atzmon: It is indeed devastating to admit the prophetic qualities of Herrnstein’s study from the 1990’s in the context of the categorical cognitive portioning we witness in society around us. Due to some technological developments such as automation and computing and also, rapid evolvement of global capitalism, we have been seeing a vast decrease in the need for unskilled labour. At the same time, the demand for highly skilled professional and intellectually able people have been rising sharply and constantly.
This shift in society introduced a devastating social, economical, demographic and geographic partition between the able and the less able. It is not anymore a division between rich and poor or between the proletariat and the capital. It is instead, a cognitive division that is widening up. Those who used to be the working class are now workless class, or ‘under class’ – at least, this is how sociologists prefer to call them. The new order created a clear demographic urban divide between the deprived, or shall we say less bright and the isolated quarters of the gifted few. This strict order is maintained by growing policing force that is becoming more and more brutal as we see in the USA at the moment.
We are dealing with a ticking bomb. However, Herenstein was clever to point out that being less bright, is in most case due to act of birth. An ethical society must create the necessary conditions that would allow the less bright to sustain life in dignified condition. I cannot see how such conditions can materialized in a globalized market. What we need and urgently, is to reinstate manufacturing.
E&R: Is there an intrinsic link between the above evolution and the transformation of western society into a Jewish ghetto?
Gilad Atzmon: In Lyon and in Paris I explored the Jewish European’s practice that led to the development of a unique Jewish cognitive elite. For more than 1500 years European Jewish merchants married their daughters to young rabbinical protégées. This unique setting led to the emergence of a sophisticated Jewish elite that excelled in money and scholarship and centered largely in central Europe.
Strictly speaking Jews have been practicing cognitive partitioning for 1450 years before the West was introduced to the concept. It is hardly surprising that Jewish elite performs well within such conditions. But it is hardly a surprise that Heresntein, himself a Jew, was the one who produce the necessary social theory. It is more than likely that Herenstein himself, a superb scholar was a product of cognitive partitioning.
E&R: Many 18th and 19th century authors (Augustin Barruel, John Robison, Maurice Talmeyr, etc…) pointed out the key role of Free Masonry and the Illuminati of Baviere in European revolutions and specifically the French revolution. Other authors like Pierre Hillard explain that Free Masonry is but an extension of The Synagogue in order to replace Goyim religions with a single Noahidic religion along with the establishment of a single World wide government. What do you think about this thesis?
Gilad Atzmon: I am not an historian and far from being an expert on Free Masons. However, there is no doubt that Jewish ID politics, Global Zionism, Neo-conservatism, Free Market and also Bolshevism are united in their attempt to impose a structured pseudo universal value systems in an attempt to set a phantasmic global rational that, always happens to serve some dark tribal interests. Whether, we burn Catholic churches in the name of the ‘Working Class Revolution’ and ‘anti Fascism’ (Spain 1936) or leave Iraq with almost 2 million dead in the name of ‘Moral Interventionism.’ The genocide is always justified by a ‘rational’ argument that that is shaped as a ‘human call.’
Noahisim is realized as a global call to accept monotheism and the seven laws of Noah. As such, the opposition to Noahisim should be realized as an Athenian necessary assault on Jerusalem. The Athenian is the realization of the ethical as a moral judgment as opposed to the Jerusalemite ‘rule of law.’ For the Athenian, the moral shouldn’t be imposed by law for humanity is the ability to reach at the ethical by means of judgment and creativity. The Jerusalemite, on the other hand, replaces the judgment with commandments and Mitzvoth i.e. restrictions and obedience. The Jerusalemite and the Noahist demand compliance, a regulated discourse that are subscribed to a given set of restrictions. We can already see an affinity between the Jerusalem/Noahism mode of thinking and the cultural Marxist fascination with correctness. The reason is obvious, Cultural Marxism, the dominant Left school of thought since the 1960’s is an extension of Jerusalem that led to the tragic ghettoization of the West. I guess that time is ripe for liberation.
E&R: In the history of the 20th century Zionist movement, it's rarely mentioned that when the British government proposed to the World Zionist Congress and Theodor Herzl the possible establishment of a Jewish settlement in Uganda, it was East European Zionists and Haïm Weizmann who lobbied restlessly against the offer. They pushed for the Jewish National Home to be established in Palestine. Do you think that it suggests that contrary to the idea of a secular Jewish movement, Zionism is rooted in a literal interpretation of the Torah and Talmud?
Gilad Atzmon: The idea of Jewish secularism is in itself very problematic. As you may know, I argue that Judaism is only one Jewish religion amongst many. To be a Jew is to be able to transform different ideas into a Jewish religion. Enough was written about Holocaust being the most popular Jewish Religion. The Israeli philosopher Yeshayahu Leibowitz commented in the 1970s that Jews believe in many different things but all Jews believe in the Holocaust. However, in the 20th century alone we saw Communism, Egotism, Moral Interventionism, Zionism, ‘Anti’ all being celebrated as ‘Jewish secular’ and ‘universal’ religions.
What makes an idea into a Jewish religion then? The ability to facilitate a strong sense of choseness.
Now we are ready to tackle your question. Zionism, in its early days was a ‘Jewish secular anti Jewish’ movement. It promised to transform the Diaspora Jew into a civilized being by means of ‘homecoming.’ Detesting the Diaspora Jewish identity, Zionism attempted to drift away from the Rabbinical attitude, it distanced itself from the Talmud and made the Hebrew Bible into the forming text of the new Israelite. It basically made the Torah into a ‘land deed’ and God into an ‘estate agent.’
The Jews who followed Zionism at the time were partially naïve or idealists, however, there is no doubt that Zionism failed in its mission. The newly born Hebraic Jew has very little to contribute to the notion of civilization. Zionism failed completely in its attempt to drift away from the Jew. Why? Because Zionism was, after all a Jewish exclusive movement, it was tribal, racist and supremacist. It made the Jew celebrate choseness. It had all the necessary ingredients needed to establish a new Jewish religion. And here is a small fascinating anecdote. When Zionism was anti Jewish, it was a marginal movement, but as it became more and more Jewish, its popularity rose, it eventually became the voice of world Jewry.
E&R: You recently worked with Pink Floyd, you are featured on their new album The Endless River, tell us about it?
Gilad Atzmon: I was obviously honored to be called in for that session. Pink Floyd is what I listened to when I was at the age of my son. My son is 14 and whenever I pass near to his room I can hear the The Dark Side Of The Moon. Pink Floyd is still a unique radical voice, it sounds fresh and it appeals to young music lovers. There must be an eternal quality in the band’s epic simplicity. Pink Floyd introduced a new aesthetics that shaped every active musician on this planet since the late 1960’s. To a certain extent, recording with the band closed a circle in my life. It was a home coning.
But I must also mention that my engagement with the band was very limited in terms of time. It was only one session probably 3-4 hours. It was totally amazing to watch how David Gilmour works, how he hears things, his attention to details, how much involve he is in the production of every note. I was very lucky to experience such a musical encounter.